Subject	What you're describing is what is commonly done in most door
Posted by	BigTDogg (MA) on February 26, 2015 at 4:11 PM
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In Reply To	Opinion(s) : Bose vs 3rd Party Brackets + Speakers? posted by evan_aggie on February 26, 2015 at 01:01 PM
Message	Speaker applications. It is rather uncommon to have an enclosure in the front door. Using the door as the enclosure is referred to as a free-air enclosure design. The Bose enclosure is very beneficial... to the driver it was designed for. Stuffing a larger driver, like a 6.5", into that enclosure will not yield better results because you're now suffocating the driver, meaning not enough airspace. Properly deadening the door, using a rigid baffle, and sealing off the front side will get you excellent results. Now, in the rear, to have any proper supporting midbass, you need the 1990 Bose enclosures (or other homemade enclosure), as free-air with no enclosure whatsoever gets you only midrange, and garbage MR at that. Whatever you do, you need the juice. 22WRMS is not enough for any 6.5 to perform well when driven full range. With a supporting sub they won't sound bad, but at that point you've already wired one amp, so why not one for your main channels as well. One company you should never buy from Z32 Enthusiast Group On FB "Taking a pole =/= taking a poll" - ConVerTT 01:19:29 04/15/14 "I was way more timid then than I am now about getting in there and yanking on things." - TT XTZ 13:30:34 07/25/05 "...Downpipes own. I love them...I shall name my first-born after them with glee..." - SeedyRom 05:13:20 10/03/02 "Just ran out to get some knee pads. I'm ready now... BRING.....IT.....ON... :-) " - Dave N 19:04:30 10/31/07 "Either ignore him or beat him up. Anything else will be over his head." - Marshall 12:28:23 08/18/04 "I hope you get fucked in the ass with a pringles can." - ni[X]it 14:53:53 02/02/06 "I'm glad I have the MSP mani's." - jschrauwen 22:20:13 06/10/08 "i love the cock" - genic 22:20:47 09/25/03 z32baby: yeah, my memory sucks balls DJ Juiced: What's your memory doing this friday night? ;) "i've got to the point where i can drive the Z at its limits and i want more" - shadowZ 16:29:56 08/31/04
Follow Ups	Opinion(s) : Bose vs 3rd Party Brackets + Speakers? - evan_aggie 13:01:34 02/26/15 When i first got the car i swaped the old blown bose - kickerzx 13:06:44 02/26/15 ^I put my Infinity speakers in stock enclosures - -Grimm- 13:13:25 02/26/15 2nd. No need to buy speaker enclosures. I just modified - Haasz32 20:02:57 02/27/15 ditto. threw in trash and regretted it... (n/m) - evan_aggie 13:37:22 02/26/15 Ouch. I keep anything that isn't a worn out part or broken - davidztt 14:16:15 02/26/15 Zmaxsystems - BlackholeZ 14:05:12 02/26/15 Yeah, rub it in... (n/m) - kickerzx 14:06:12 02/26/15 This guy has a set on ebay - BlackholeZ 13:02:44 02/27/15 That's Zmax (n/m) - BoneZ (MD) 12:51:05 03/01/15 are you running the speakers off the HU or through an amp? (n/m) - vorpalZ 14:15:39 02/26/15 From a HU. Think 22 RMS, 4 x 50 as normal. (n/m) - evan_aggie 14:41:07 02/26/15 there's your problem. Forget the ratings on the unit - vorpalZ 15:12:48 02/26/15 I respectfully disagree. It has nothing to do with a lack - evan_aggie 15:32:54 02/26/15 nope. Done exactly what you have done. On 2 Z's - vorpalZ 15:40:27 02/26/15 Honestly, there is a greater chance that I flipped - evan_aggie 15:49:10 02/26/15 That would affect sound quality for sure - BigTDogg (MA) 16:14:13 02/26/15 you could be hard of hearing too - LJZTT 22:48:12 02/26/15 Not all speakers work well in an "open baffel" enviroment. - kickerzx 11:17:12 02/27/15 I understand that, I'm just joshing Evan (n/m) - LJZTT 12:45:06 02/27/15 ah you kids.... (n/m) - kickerzx 12:47:13 02/27/15 Power is a major factor, along with the cleanliness of the - BigTDogg (MA) 15:42:27 02/26/15 I did 6-1/2 Mb Quarts all the way around - Davez 20:53:00 02/26/15 Unless something has changed, no head units get close to - LJZTT 22:45:15 02/26/15 22 RMS. (n/m) - evan_aggie 23:29:22 02/26/15 MB Quart 6.5's in Bose enclosures, F&R. (n/m) - ttz'in (norcal) 14:35:07 02/26/15 ... with amps driving them (n/m) - vorpalZ 15:15:08 02/26/15 What you're describing is what is commonly done in most door - BigTDogg (MA) 16:11:21 02/26/15 Well, the front sound better than the rear. - evan_aggie 16:15:49 02/26/15 That's because they're not doing anything. Reload those - BigTDogg (MA) 16:27:27 02/26/15 Who is this "ZMax" fellow everyone keeps talking - ZXRider 16:46:10 02/26/15 I think he's done, website is dead. - BigTDogg (MA) 16:49:11 02/26/15 Thanks Tony. (n/m) - ZXRider 16:52:01 02/26/15 That's a bummer - BlackholeZ 00:02:15 02/27/15 For SQ competitions, it's a great idea. At least in old - BigTDogg (MA) 22:47:40 03/01/15 All you CAD savvy types, a 3d printer would pay for itself - LJZTT 22:38:47 02/26/15 Ehh, most 3d printed plastics are rather soft - BlackholeZ 00:06:32 02/27/15 Was thinking the ones that use laser sintering (n/m) - LJZTT 02:58:58 02/27/15 Yeah those would be more capable, but way more expensive. (n/m) - BlackholeZ 13:00:22 02/27/15 Prices are falling precipitously and only going to go down - LJZTT 15:43:23 02/27/15 You can't touch a laser cintered machine for uner 10k. - ni[X]it 14:23:22 02/28/15 nm, I was thinking the formlab machine was laser sintering (n/m) - LJZTT 17:59:39 02/28/15 Buddy at work just got one for $4k new. - Ted (92TT) 18:49:49 02/28/15 Weak? A few years ago we worked with a pretty large - black300zx 06:46:38 03/03/15 There are actually many materials that would work well for - black300zx 07:04:14 02/27/15 Re: Not sure how capable it is, but Dremel sells one for $1k - bartz32tt 09:21:40 02/27/15 Definitely some of the higher end processes would work - BlackholeZ 12:59:01 02/27/15 Re: a 3d printer would pay for itself - ni[X]it 12:47:29 02/27/15 Comparison chart for different processes: - BoneZ (MD) 12:34:24 03/01/15 I could design one up, not as easy as making some TE-37s :) - BigTDogg (MA) 22:55:40 03/01/15 When I finally get around to replacing everything - spicyZ 08:08:23 02/27/15 This post emphasizes the point the closest... - The Sixth 11:29:35 02/27/15 Speaker Door Baffles are an option. - ZonaZ 18:16:47 02/26/15 This is exactly what I've spent my winter months doing... - nb623107 18:25:58 02/26/15 That was one of my winter projects as well - SammybTT(TN) 21:57:02 02/26/15 Re: That was one of my winter projects as well - nb623107 22:09:04 02/26/15 How is the sound deadening working out? - CameronSF 11:33:27 02/27/15 i don't have the MFG of the sound deadening with me but - SammybTT(TN) 21:13:31 02/27/15 I like the deadening... How much difference did it make? - ZXoltan 11:35:22 02/27/15 Not a ton. It helps, but you need to do under the seats and - evan_aggie 13:59:14 02/27/15 my first sound/heat deadening was for the transmission - SammybTT(TN) 21:22:08 02/27/15 To reduce road noise, you need mass loaded vinyl - BigTDogg (MA) 16:06:41 03/02/15 I had a spare housing lying around- yours free if I can find - ZXoltan 19:40:39 02/26/15 when Bose designed those enclosures there goal was to have - NUTTZ(EPTmotorsports) 09:11:21 02/27/15 Port Tune your Bose Enclosures, Use 4" Drivers and Amp - flashstar 12:48:08 02/27/15 *I Mean Without a Separate Subwoofer (n/m) - flashstar 12:49:45 02/27/15 ZMax does have an ego bigger than most could imagine - BigTDogg (MA) 15:31:50 03/02/15 I fit 8" subs with custom MDF brackets - zromtech 22:58:01 02/27/15 Seems like a lot of work just to get "decent" ... - ZXoltan 08:57:19 02/28/15 Re: Seems like a lot of work just to get "decent" ... - zromtech 13:10:52 02/28/15 Nice - I ran 8" mids and HLCDs in my old 2+2 for a while - black300zx 12:43:29 03/01/15 Re: I fit 8" subs with custom MDF brackets (n/m) - NytWolf 10:10:24 03/02/15
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